Yeah, I know that it's very difficult but we had managed to pull it off with the bow yesterday but my friend missed his shot... had he had the shotgun instead he would have definately already had his bird. But you know how it goes, if you have a bow they will come within shotgun range and if you have a gun they will be just out of gun range... I'm just hoping tomorrow morning I will be able to call another in so he can finally get his first bird!