Ok I guess we are on the same page for the most part but we differ in that I think most camo patterns by the big 2 suck. I think that there are 3 or 4 lesser known companies who make far superior camo patters but dont get used as much because of the marketing power of the big guys. The big guys are really trying to appeal to us on the "Cool Factor" and know that they could make a better pattern but dont for reason more related to sales number then R&D.

I guessI dont quite understand where the 12 P&Ys play into all this but ok.