NYorange may have a couple of good points but I'm not sure...I am told that 20-30 years ago a hunter could expect to see 50 deer because of clubs driving deer. now they say your lucky if you see 10 deer. The state and fish and game are still a bunch of crooks. The fees they charge are rediculous and no Sunday hunting. People have to work alot and barely have any time to hunt and they want us to pay out the rear end. The cost should be a third of what they want. It's called greed. It's only going to get worse. The gun clubs shoot everything and anything...1- 3 inch spike is all it takes, button bucks, small does you name it and they collect a few portable tree stands along the way.