I agree with BSTNFREEK I have an remington 870 and the only slug that will go staright out to 50 yards is the cheap remingtons. I can not shoot the sabots it hits about 4-5 yards short at 50. It did scare the crap aout of a doe afew years back(she was about 30yrds out)when I tried one and almost hit her in the hoof. So I stick to my old plain slugs. havent misse one yet knock on wood.