Gary the owner of Slick Tricks is Oldhootowl that replied to this thread on the 1st page. Gary is a great guy to deal with and sells a great product that performs as advertised. I switched to Slick Tricks 4 years ago, and have not looked back since. 14 animals later I am still impressed. They are accurate, durable, and leave a nasty hole in what they hit. I love to experiment with new equipment like many of you, but my Slick Tricks are one of the things thatI have refused to change over the last 4 years.Everyone I know you has tried them is still shooting them today.