yeah, I have to agree that the 12 sounds like the better value. You made it very clear about placing the ramrod in the barrel you are not loading. Sounds like a sound practice. I plan on getting it as soon as my return gets here, hopefully in the next week. I live in a town called Gun Barrel City Tx. It is about 60 miles SE of Dallas and I work mostly in Dallas so The Cabela's in Ft. Worth is about 2 hours from home and 1 hour from the shop. As soon as I know the money is in the bank I'll go after workand pick it and some shooting supplies up. I can't stand the wait.