Just a quick hey, I'm new to this site, but I've been visiting it for about a year now. There is alot of you regular guys that seem pretty knowledgeable on hear and I enjoy getting tips and reading your stuff. It seems most people dont care to much for the BPI products. CVA,Winchester and Traditions. I myself own a Black Diamond, Knight Bighorn, TC Omega, CVA Optima, and the Winchester Apex. I live in Utah and have thousands of acres to shoot whenever I want to. I personally shoot between 3-4 days a week. Most of this is with a muzzleloader. All of my muzzleloaders are very good shooters. The one I shoot the most is the Apex because no matter what I stick down it its the most accurate of the five. Now I know the barrels are always the question on these guns but I've shot over 300 rounds through this gun. Most of the time I'm shooting 130 grains of loose 777 2f. Anything over that and my accuracy goes to crap and that is with any of my guns. I've taken apart completely with the help of a very talented gunsmith both the Omega and Apex. Both him and me beleive the Apex is a beefier put together gun. You cant compare barrels by just looking at them like you can with rest of the gun. Oh by the way my two most favorite bullets are the 300grnSST and the 300grnXTP. I have red dots on all five rifles because you cant have any magnification here in Utah during the muzzleloader hunts.I shoot winchester 209 primers.