Mite:You wrote about planting pigeons and quail at the age of 4 months. Is it a good idea to do that w/out any shooting invloved? Doesnt the pup get the wrong message?Dont we want the bird-find-point-shoot-retrieve to all be in one package?I am just asking I got no experiece in this matter. For some time I was a member of a Hunting dog club and I just went out with them a few times to see them train and compete their dogs.