Hey, FYI, I took off the "on the bow" quiver and went with a basic hip cradle quiver.....boy what a difference. I'm still a little loose with the cedars, but they are tightning up as I practice. 10 rnds of six per day, 3 rnds at 10yds, 3 at 20yds and 3 at 30yds then back at 20yds for 1 more rond,then my arms say, Red Hook time....that a beer in the NW.Any way, thank for the help.