You're right, most dogs here lack training because of the owners. But on the flipside, there is very little land to work them here. Some of the more serious hunters take their dogs to a professional trainer. The handful of trainers herecharge$600+/month because the demand is very high.

I belong to the Greater Seattle Bird Dog Club mainly because of the training sessions. They are a NSTRA affiliated club. Last summer there were a handful of GSPs in training and they were just asrumbuncious as any other dog there. Don't get me wrong, I think the GSP can holdtheir ownagainst any breed in upland birds but I still have yet to see onedoing waterfowl here.

As to the DD and DK, I don't know much about them but I hear they have an excellent breeding program.