Their J36 bullet is made for hunting I bought some of the .308-180 bc.672 they sayin the 300rum with86 grains of rl22 you can move them 3350fps I havent tried them yet the accubonds seem to be doing it for me I cant get them to shoot bad they work so good I dontneed to try anything else maybe Ill stick'em insome 300 winne brass this weekend but its to dam cold here in mn to go shooting