honestly jimmy, All the deer I have shot except (2) have been deer that I have seen comingnot heard coming. Some deer I have seen from far away and shot them but some have been mysteriously close as well. And In every Time,I can remember scanning the whole landscape around me and seeing nothing; only to look up 2 or 3 seconds later and the deer is standing there like its been there 20 minutes.... I dont know how this happens but I will agree deer move like smoke though the woods..... Its awsome to actually see a deer just appear in the woods...especially when its close to you...