Greg, my comments were as much a spin off from other CWD discussions we have had, previous CWD situations as they were about your post specifically. I used you because your thoughts are similar to many others in the past, and you said it without the negativity we have seen...again, in the past.

As for usages...most of the pics you see in magazines, calenders and books are from enclosures. I know the animals, sometimes by farm names, from many of them. You already said you dont use natural lures or urine, but thats another. Most of the calls are developed by studying captive deer. I can name names here too. As for research, man, where do I even start? Leonard Lee Rue studied from Fred Space in NJ, and Joe Taylor in Pa. Dr. Bubenik had the captive herds at Guelph University in Ontario. Dr. John Ozoga uses the Cusino facility in Michigan. Theres Texas A&M, Georgia, and so many others. Much of what you read as research has been conducted in enclosures. Thats magazines as well as textbooks. Vocalizations, photoperiodism, reproduction cycles, antler growth, deer management, the list is almost endless.

Most videos you can buy nowadays, with some exceptions, of course, are filmed in large enclosures. Some dont care for it, I know, but its what it is.

The latest research in controlling blue tongue, EHD, is being done with captive herds. It was once believed that once deer showed the syptoms of EHD, that it was irreversible. We now know better. Theres a very large scale program going on now with many states rearing deer for research with assistance from specific universities for CWD being sent to Colorado. Its from private captive herds. I am not at liberty to name names here, but trust me its ongoing.

Poorly run enclosures will always be the industries blackeye. Folks only knowing a small bit of bad info is often just as bad. Those who depend on the deer industry are of course, like me, quick to defend it. But we who are responsible, and most of us are, would be as quick to pull the plug if it were truly wrong. Unfortunately, most dont believe that...