thanks for the replies....my buddy talked to some fish and game people in La and they said the same thing...not many outfitters. A generous member here offered them his lease for a reasonable price so they might do that in alabama. Id love to join him but I save my holidays for moose hunting in BC....sorry its not elk but moose are bigger lol. and its with my resident brother so there arent any outfitter fees. I agree hunting is turning into a pay to play game its unfortunate.