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ORIGINAL: Pglasgow]
Again I have never said roundballs were inneffective.
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Sabinajiles responded,

But you have strongly inferred it


But it is not possible for me to infer any thing. Inferring is what you are doing. All projectiles have their limitations. Noting that the roundball is the most limited (most inferior) is not claiming that the round ball is ineffective. I never said that and I never meant to imply that. Inferring that those are my intentions is your error.



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ORIGINAL: Pglasgow]
I did say that roundballs are inferior to the other choices. I stand by that. I followed with several more posts which included statementsthat pointed out just how roundballs are inferior to other projectiles in the physical attributes the indicatea projectiles capabability for killing game. Fact is, the roundball finishes last in all these attributes.[/blockquote]


Sabinajiles responds:

Again these are all opinions.By your own admission, you have onlyshot one deer, with one roundball and made a bad shot. Based on this experience, and with no knowledge of where and how I, and other users of roundballs, hunt, or what loads or rifles we use, you claim to be able to tell us the "facts". As I said before, none of your indicators mean squat in actual field use to those of us who know how to hunt with roundballs.

All I have said is the "facts" limit the roundball. Lower sectional density, lower momentum, lower energy, Lower ballistic coefficient are the facts. These are not my opinions. All one has to do is plug them into a ballistics program and see whatone should expect from a roundball. And this expectation _has_ a basis in facts. A logical, scientific way to judge how onemay ethically use the roundball.

It is impossible to reason with anyone whose opinion is these indicators mean, how did say it, squat. So I'm not reasoning with you.

You seem to think you are some kind of muzzleloading god who can impart something to the roundball which it normally would notpossess on its own. I've got news fer ya, you can't do that,a hunter can only limit the best aprojectile can do.

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ORIGINAL: Pglasgow]
Having30 years of experience with the roundball, one would think that you could offer some guidelines on range, shot placement, and so on describing the limitations one must hunt with in orderto hunt ethically with a roundball. I would think they would have at least some scientific basis in fact instead being anecdotally supported.
I think if you did that. Youmay find I supported those guidelines and agree thatthis use of theroundball isethical and effective.
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Sabinajiles,

I would never expect someone to form their own opinions and maketheir choices based on my opinions or anything anyone would say in a public forum, such as this. This is where we seem to differ.If a person decides to hunt with roundballs, they must make that decision based on their own knowledge, dedication and skill. I can only offer personal opinions, based on personal experience, and would never be so presumptuous to claim my opinions are facts.

I will bow out of this because I've alreadymade my point as well as I can and it serves no purpose to continue this.

I'm not surprised you bowed out. But I really wish someone would describe what ethical use of the round ball actually is. I think it would serve an important purpose.

Happy Hunting, Phil