Don't overlook the Knights that RW is selling http://members.aol.com/randymagic/savage0.htmabout 40% down that page. Some OUTSTANDING buys. Get the Extreme if you want irons, the Elite if you want to only use a scope. Some few places will not allow the Knight ignition system so check rules where you are planning to hunt before buying anything. http://www.huntinfo.org/