It is funny how many people say how little hide damage the caliber dose and than state how fast the bullet is.Speed makes expantion. Expantion makes damage.In turn fast bullets= big holes.

It allso makes a big deal how much you shoot.I hunt a ton with my 223.If you want all the pelts as I do.Shoot a 60+ grain soft point.

I would go to a 22 hornet. Or a 223 bolt action.