They are usually a 2" group load in a 30/06. The ones they made for a .308 group better - I got them to holdright at MOA in my .308 PSS. Not good enough for prairie dogs, but very suitable for coyotes. There are still a few boxes floating around. The rumor was that the ATF pursuaded Remington to take these off the market voluntarily. I guess they were nervous about a bullet that has no rifling marks on it.