I don't really like the climbing deer stands ,but i will use one i am better shot out of a solid box stand or a tripod stand every deer i have ever killed has been out of a box stand i have killed one farely nice one , but my dad has killed one that makes mine look like fawns, it is a huge!!!!!! and he killed it off the ground it was a 10-point with a 29 in spread and weighed about 200 lbs.