yeah I know what ya mean about the 3:30 thing especially when your snuggled up to the misses. But you cant get em in the bed. Ive had a pretty good season this yr. Ive killed 2 with the bow and 3 with the rifle. I went tonight with my boy and set up near him in hopes to get a decent buck. Right on the edge of dark three doe came in and we decided to let em walk. I think the deer are more catious and nocturnal but they have to eat and drink. So if you can find a water hole or food, im sure youll see something soon. plus about the middle of dec the ones that didnt come into rut,... will. thats what im waiting for. plus around that time rifle seasonwill be over and I get use whatI feel best with. The BOW... GOOD LUCK