the butchers around here are messy when skinning....and beat the hides up pretty good......just basically rip them off.....chop heads offwith axes ect......and they actually sell the hides.....and lower the prices a tad since they sell our hides.......i cant see it being all to hard to skin a deer.......and i was looking at kits and they arent that much.....and i know people that have fleshing tools and the whole 9yds....and i can get by without...just but trimming off the fat and such....it dont have to turn out to be nice leather.....its getting tacked to the wall.......ill look into it....