I really appreciate that sugguestion. I am impressed witht the groups I got. The gun is new and was dead on where I wanted it. I did leave the gun 2" hight at 100. I see all kinds of reviews from these bullets but with the Savage Smokeless. They are pushing that bullet a lot faster. Mine is a Knight Disc Elite .50 Stainless with Nikon MOnarch 3-9x40 with permanent Warne Steel bases and Rings. It was a pleasure to shoot. I hade alot of fun today. I had always shot Barne MZ Expanders. I like the look of the SST better it looks like what ever it hits they will take out some tissue on any game.I did read a review from another website that they make a small whole going it but theydo alot of damage. PLease if anyone is reading this forum please reply back if you have take game with these with a gun that shoots pellet or triple 7 loose.