Here's another e-mail address, [email protected] we can also talk, i'll give you whatever info you need. Cool?? I've delt with Maurice for whew, 10-15 years. Seemsour timejust keeps getting better and better. We've been through lot together. My self as an honest hand with a dog, either or any breed of sport dog, I myself with this style of socialization to client or personal dog have not had a problem with or without collar. I feel its all in the work that you've done with the dog. I've helped alot of horseback trialers get thier dogs on the right track, Idone lots of gun dogs, I had a gentlemans chessie, 2yr old bitch, nothing done to her, just hunted, Ihad her for 3 mo. 5 test 5 passes. And she had an awful collar problem, it was at their house with electric yard fence, fried her twice bad, owners finally got it shut off!! So you could nick below one, she'd ball up. It was bad, but she had a head of sense, and me and her worked through all of it, just limited collar. OBED., line steady, ff, whistles, remote sits.I am not much on that breed but if I had chance for pup out of her, i'd snatch it up!! Where you from?? I'm in Kentucky?? I'm sure you'll agree throwing in here command during session is a big plus. Just like a dog that retrieves, everyone is so excited about it they want to get the bird from the dog, instead of allowing the carry. Before you know it dog does not want to come in cause dad always takes it, and the came of keep away starts, I don't understand sometimes. Force fetching is not an exciting part of dog training, I'll do it but so many times if owners would have thought for a second problem would not be there. I don't know I just try and keep all the people happy.I just enjoy the dogs, exspecially the pups!! Later Jonesy