Jonsey,

No, I am not a member of Maurice's yahoo group, I have just followed him for years on uplandbirddog.com and trained a GSP according to the west method six years ago (man does time fly). I would be interested in joining the group, and maybe even contacting you, as communication wtih Maurice is limited to email. Could you PM me the information?


As for the rest, I think you misread my post. I directed my post to underdog who claims that if you traina dog with an e-collar, you can never trust them without one.

I am no pro, but have managed to tinker with about ten dogs over the last five or so years. I managed to put a SH on a retriever and got a few passes with a GSP at SH, but never finished his title.

I plan on testing my new pup with the VDD.