Maurice is who taught me, hands on i lived with Maurice for about 6mo.in Piedmont sc, I will be goin to Maurices in approx a week or so to pick up 2 bitches to send to a client of mine next to portland, oregon. Are you Maurices yahoo group also?? All I am trying to do is help the guy get started, you have to assume who ever you talk to is an am. If not when, something goes wrong, because he or she did not do it right or done it to fast, who's gonna be the bad guy?? Yes, he could send the dog to me, or Muarice,andwe will have it standing in 5 min. I don't think thats what the guy is after. So yes, we can cut some corners, but for some one who's experience is slim, or sounds to be slim, why put the cart before the horse so fast. I will cover my butt, and go on.I xplained where, and how to start his pup. The other member isn't even sure what kinda dog he wants?? All you guys said is this breed is great , and I like this breed, so as a guessing game you guys are all dog trainers, why don't you give things to help the guy out?? Jonesy