if your waiting to try them out i picked up 2 boxes last year at walmart for 3 bucks a box of 50.......if nothing else it leaves you with alot of cheap shooting to do when your bored......i am deer hunting with the 270gr HP ballets saturday...and up until next saturday if i dont fill tags.....see how it goes......i didnt get cayugad accuracy....20yds i can hit a mountain dew can no problem....40-45yds i can put them on the inside circle of a paper plate(6 inches or so(my groups actually probably arent bad but all high at that range) im not completely happy...but my shots are going to be 20-30yds...15-25yds ill aim where i want it....anywhere out to 50(if i havea farther shot somehow) ill aim for the heart..if i get a shot ill let you know how they performed for me.....shooting 75grs of 3fg goex...going a little slower....but i have faith they will put a hole in a deer...270gr HP cruising at 1500fps or so.....i dont want to be on the other end of the bullet!