I went to another property that I hunt tonight to let my other spot rest a bit, and found what I was hoping for. I found a rub on a cedar tree that's as big as a electric pole, and I'm not kidding, it is as high as the top of my head, and I'm 6'1". Now the kicker is that this deer has been making rubs on this tree for the last 3 seasons. It's obvious it's a sign-scent post rub. I have been after this big son of a gun for 3 years, and I'm getting frustrated. This deer is almost entirely nocturnal. I am running out of idea's, and would like to get him because i know he has to be in his prime. I have a stand set up about 30 yard downwind of this tree, but I am just not seeing him when I hunt it. He is visiting at night, and I don't know how to get him to show his face during shooting light. This is one deer that does not become visible even during the rut. I have known of several good bucks to die of old age in this place, because it is some of the thickest, nastiest junk that you can imagine. We spend all early summer just chopping our way to stand sights as it grows up every year. If anyone has any ideas on how to get this smart old boy to show his face during daylight, then let me know. This place is only a quarter mile from my house, and we spotilight it often but never see him. He must come out way late in the night. This has been a war between him and me, and I sure would like to win. Good luck this season.