Except for the price,it's hard to look past the Lone Wolf climbers.They are made from poured aluminum,so there are no joints,weld,or tubes to make noise.They are also very light and have a built in bow holder.I use an Ol'Man Vision,and I guess I like it but i'm not real good at setting up a climber correctly yet.It will come with a bit of practice.Problem is I have a new climbing stick and love it.Takes me right up to my API fixed stands.

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