i use federal fmj's in a 308 and i also use winchester fmj's in one of my target .223s. these are both target rounds and are very accurate. it's just like any other load you just have to find a gun that likes them. i also have a mini -14 that shoots the wolf brand pretty good out a couple hundred yards. the federals and the winchester we shoot out to 3 and 4 hundred yards with very good results. i buy them by the case and i believe i pay around $4.00 a box for the federals and the winchesters. the wolfs are cheaper i believe they are around $2.00 a box. they are all very reasonably to shoot for target practice and the occasional crow that makes the mistake of landing within range. nothing wrong with any of this brands. they are no harder on your gun than any other load. they just have the full copper jacket.