summits are pieces of ****, don't get one. Their designes are piss poor. They are noisy to set up, the cables go clickety ****en clanck when climbing or desending, it you set up just right in the stand the foot platform will creek everytime you put weight on it. Plus they are bulky to pack into and out of the woods. I have read great things about the ol man stands. They are rated the most quiet to set up and easiet to pack in the woods. I am fixing to get an ol man and take a tortch to the summit viper.