Don't come down too hard o Arlow I know where he is comming from I spent 23 years in the navy and most of it was in the soulth. You could not find a piece of land to hunt on to save your life cause it was all leased by hunt clubs. If you were lucky to find a little piece the clubs were all over you and they had the game wardens in there pocket so the were always on you. And I know we don't want that up here it is bad news. We up here in Mass are so lucky to have the land to hunt on for a little state with bad gun laws we have some of the best deer hunting in the N.E. E.J. I live in zone 11 and if I can help you in any way just let me know Mike