Up in the big woods of the U.P.the buck to doe ratio is way screwed up, and the mature buck to doe ratio is WAY OFF!! I have taken a couple nice 8's the last couple of years, but we manage our land meticulously ad its only my brother, dad, and me that hunt it. It is not at all uncommon to see 25-30 does and only have one buck come through, and that one is very often just a spike or a fork. The Michigan DNR really ties the hands of the hunters though because everyone that buys a license can get 2 buck tags, but you have to enter a lottery for doe tags, and the areas where the tags are available are very limited. In the county where I live, about half of it is 3 points or more to one side, and my good friend has harvest three very nice 8's an one 9 in the 5 years since it started. I am a very firm believer in "Let 'em grow" adn the proof is in the pudding. Before that rule started, the whole area around where they hunt was all very small basket racks if you were lucky, but tons of wierd three and four pointers. I really with the MI DNR would step up and put some more programs in place. There are plenty of meat hunters where I live but they are shooting the spikes and forks to get meat because taking a doe is not an option a lot of the time. I place the responsibility on the hunter to take the deer to manage the herd, but I also think that the state agencies really need to give some help through regulations to try and manage a better herd. Just my $.02 Good luck to everyone this season!!!