hunohio, Just food for thought. My buddy has the Lone Wolf hand climber and likes it, but he does feel that it takes a little too much effort to get up the tree. I fell in love with how light the stand is, and after much thought, I bought the Lone Wolf Sit and Climb last year. I could not be more pleased. It folds flat, is very light, whisper quiet going on and up the tree, and it is effortless to climb with. I have owned climbers made by Ol' Man, Summit, and API. All three were well made, but none of them hold a candle to the Lone Wolf.