Red-You may be right about the record books. But the jist of what Deercorn is saying is pretty right on. Thats what I was trying to say as well. You should have the right to hunt however you see fit as long as it benefits hunting over-all. There is a lot of "trickle down economics" from the armchair types and feed-lot ranches sporting well fed genetically engineered animals for trophies etc. And if you think that's hunting (with or without fences)-God Bless Ya!! Guides are fine. I'd like to be one every now and then. But where I hunt a guide is more like a friend that just happens to hunt a heckuva lot and knows where the game is that particular day-maybe. Someone I'd definitely hire if I went to Montana, Wyoming or Idaho wilderness if I could afford it. But I'd still research the area fully on my own before I went. Interesting though, when my pals and I go hunting we all hunt alone. Sometimes we communicate with walky-talkys, but only at designated times and only if we are not working an animal. Guides are fine, I'm not really harping on the guide thing here at all. Rather, the TV ranches where they drive you out to a blind, drop you off and say good luck......the very word h-u-n-t means to go find,look for something. Kind of like hide and go-seek. Well, if one person in that game always just gets to hide....would it be fair...or fun? To me it was always the most fun to seek rather than hide. Most of the fun of hunting for me is in the preparation and the seeking and finding. And, finding place on public land that are overlooked or thought of as difficult because you might have to walk.I thank God for every type of Law abiding hunter though, for many of the reasons outlined in Deercorns post.