Red, nice post and I appreciate the input. I will definately go with a bi-pod, all I needed was somebody to say they had good luck with them. I am also going to go with a high powered scope. The first loper I ever stabbed I shot at about 220 yards with 06, it dropped in it tracks. I sttod up and chambered another round when my father in law said "shoot him again!" The little booger got back up and ran. He stopped at about 280 yards and I shouldered the rifle and shot again, down he went. When we got up to him there was one entrance hole and two exit holes, my father-in-law was stunned. "That second shot was a hell of a shot." "Yeah, well I do alot of shooting." I calmly said. The truth is, I just aimed slightly high and squeezed the triger as soon as the crosshairs were in place, the shot was just dumb luck and I could never hit the same hole twice again, but I'll be damned if I ever tell my father in law different! Sometimes you just get flat out lucky, to this day he still thinks I'm a crack shot!