Hornady 17gr Vmax and federal 17gr vmax seem to shoot teh best, well its all Ive tried and there about the same. as for shooting little critters vamx well blow them apart so if you are shooting se eat it dontuse them. The 17gr tnt or 20Gr gamepoints do much less damage as they dont fragment like the vmax in such small game. I have pics of what teh vamx does to gophers if you would like to see, but there too gorry to post on here