you guys kill me you will swear by your gear then so does the next guy the fact is we are all different thats like saying saying one size fits all some guys are cumfy sleeping on the ground others have to have a bed me im kind of cheep ill try to borrow an item from a friend before i buy one i hate to buy gear then find out i cant stand it if i cant try one before i buy i wait for a clearence sale or buy used it takes a little patience but i dont waste as much money