I have to agree with Randy. The Barnes Expanders for some reason really do shoot excellent. I did not get a chance to see the effect of them on a deer last season due to lack of cooperation on the deer's part. Another fellow up here shot a nice buck with the same bullet only he was shooting 110 granis of powder and the wound channel that bullet made was most impressive. Again, I look at them like the powerbelts. They are too expensive to play with on the target range. I usually get a 25 (I believe it is) pack of them in late summer, sight in the rifle and then use the rest for hunting, although I have been having some excellent luck with the Buffalo Bullet SSB in 375 grain for accuracy and might stick with them due to cost alone.