I gotta agree with Virginia7. the regular 270 win (i had one) is descent enough. In fact, if you snag one in the weatherby vanguard, you can get a 24 inch barrell and tack on a few extra FPS. Whats better, you can use the hornady light mag ammo and start closing the gap between the 270WSM and the vanilla 270. The plain 270 ammo is $11.87 for a box "O" 20 at wally world. WSM? 18 bucks a box at a gun store. EJ