elknut1 thank you, good to talk to someone who is not full of themselves and has a bunch of knowledge to willing share can't wait till they get here. It's so dang hot over here right now perfect weather for hanging out in the a/c house and watching elk it's so hot the blacktails are putting on sunscreen.Thanks again if you ever head back this direction and want to hunt these little deer look me up. one question I forgot to ask you have you ever noticed crows tending to hang out with the elk herds. And if so what are your thoughts on the why's. It's not a everytime observation but it seems to be more often than not in my limited experience.