[quoteIt's time to move on dd. You've dug your own hole with your distortions and spinning. As I've said before, you occasionally make a point thats valid but in your quest to assassinate Gary Alt (figuratively, of course), you've hidden the slivers of truth among your countless lies and distortions][/quote]

It is Alt and his supporters that can't face the facts and resort to spinning and distorting the data . Then you attack those that present the data and claim they are lying ,even though you can't provide one example of where I lied about the effects of AR's or anything else
To date the only mistake the PGC has admitted to and corrected is the flawed population computer model which they were forced to abandone. They have not corrrected their mistake by publishing the current OWDD's or telling us how much the herd has been reduced.