My experiences with them are with one mini-14 a friend bought and we TRIED to get it to shoot good. He wanted to put a scope on it, it kept coming loose. We finally got the scope mounted and then the accuracy problems started - it'd shoot good for 3 shots and then the groups would really open up. He sold it and got a Colt Sporter (or whatever they were called at that time) - it was much better. Very repeatable, easy to scope (his carrying handle came off).