I have taken 2 headers out of permanent (HAH) stands. First time cost me a broken arm and 2nd degree shoulder separation. I was LUCKY that time. Next fall cost me 4 shattered ribs, torn sternum cartilage, a punctured lung and stiches to my face after the remains of the stand fell on top of me and pile drove my mug into the dirt. I hunt out of 2 ladder stands now and when absolutely necessary use my Loggy Bayou climber in remote places - I only go about 15 feet up tho. Ladder stands are easy to get into but a royal pain to haul into the woods and set up due to weight. I do prefer them tho. Be safe!