C.Davis is correct. Tested, the 460 grain are doing about 1200-1200 fps. The real eye opener with them is the down range energy they still have when hitting the target. On some other sights they show some hogs people shot with the big conicals and you can not believe the wound channel it puts through an animal....WOW

and you're right again C. Davis they would make an excellent elk load in my opinion and they do sure have some down range power to them......