Mulie---Those methods have proved to work well on Rosies!! I know of several good bulls taken with the exact techniques I suggested. You must be where elk are!! If they can't hear you it will not do any good. Keep moving around & setting-up till it works out.

If real pressured elk, don't overcall!! But you must let them know you're there.

Come Sept. they can't help but come check out a possible hot cow being annoyed by an immature bull. It may mean you have to stay where the elk are right till the last of daylight!! Or being where they should be an hour before daylight so you can do a lot of listening in trying to locate a group of them.-----------------------------ElkNut1