Gun Control in the USA?
10-07-2008, 02:45 PM
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Gun Control in the USA?
Gun control is a big issue in the USA ... i know that you people say who cares but it truley is, i think they should ban all automatics, andhandguns ......as you see the number ofgun deaths in this counrty are WAYYTO HIGH and the problem is hand guns ...so do you think they should bann handguns and automaticsor guns in all???? do you think they should do backround checksbefore you buy agun ....and youadvocate for or against gun control?
10-07-2008, 03:02 PM
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RE: Gun Control in the USA?
WTF!? Dude... you're barking up the wrong board.
No hand gun should be banned, neither should an automatic. Clearly you are highly uneducated to the gun control issue.
Read this, then study up. The basic truth is that no matter how many gun laws there are, criminals will still have them. The only difference is that honest people won't be able to defend themselves.
Gun Control-- From a Tex. Congressman
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The recent sniper killings around the Washington DC area thankfully appear to have ended with the arrest of two individuals believed responsible. The sense of fear in the nation's capital was palpable throughout October, bringing back memories of the uneasy days following the terrorist attacks on the Pentagon and New York City.
The wanton and unpredictable nature of the sniper shootings has reinforced an uncomfortable feeling that many Americans first experienced the morning of September 11th: namely, that the government cannot protect you. No matter how many police or federal agents we put on the streets, a determined individual or group can still cause great harm.
For many this is a sobering thought, because we have come to view the state as our protector and the solution to every problem. We should remember, however, that we hardly would want to live in a rigid totalitarian society completely free of danger. This nation was founded on principles of self-reliance, but we've allowed ourselves to become far too dependent on government. Perhaps the only good that can come out of these senseless and tragic killings is an emerging understanding that we as individuals are responsible for our safety and the safety of our families.
As for the alleged sniper himself, we can expect two things from the media. First, we'll hear a lot of details and nonsense about his rifle and how he obtained it. This scrutiny serves to instill a misguided sense of fear and awe toward a simple .223 rifle, making it seem like a highly dangerous instrument that should never be in the hands of the general public. Second, we'll hear his defense attorneys feed the media a thousand excuses for his actions, ranging from his childhood to his failed marriage to his Army training. Most people see through this, however. The killer alone is responsible for his murderous actions.
Despite all the talk about rifles, the undeniable truth is that armed citizens are safer than disarmed citizens. We can't know, of course, that armed citizens would have prevented any of the shootings or brought the sniper to justice more quickly. Yet it's hard to imagine the sniper choosing Texas or another well-armed southern state to commit his crimes. The bottom line is that criminals seek defenseless, unarmed victims. Any criminal operating in the suburbs of Washington DC, southern Maryland, and northern Virginia – all bastions of anti-gun sentiment – can reasonably assume that his victims will not shoot back.
For most Americans, guns are not a political issue. People buy and own guns to protect their families, not to commit crimes. The truth is that even millions of Americans who support and vote for gun control own guns themselves, because deep down they share the basic human need to feel secure in their homes. Since September 11th, that sense of security has been shaken, resulting in a big increase in gun sales across the country. Most supporters of gun rights take no pleasure in this fact, nor do they trumpet it as a political victory over gun control forces. The time has come to stop politicizing gun ownership, and start promoting responsible use of firearms to make America a safer place. Guns are here to stay; the question is whether only criminals will have them.
Dr. Ron Paul is a Republican member of Congress from Texas.
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No hand gun should be banned, neither should an automatic. Clearly you are highly uneducated to the gun control issue.
Read this, then study up. The basic truth is that no matter how many gun laws there are, criminals will still have them. The only difference is that honest people won't be able to defend themselves.
Gun Control-- From a Tex. Congressman
[align=left]
The recent sniper killings around the Washington DC area thankfully appear to have ended with the arrest of two individuals believed responsible. The sense of fear in the nation's capital was palpable throughout October, bringing back memories of the uneasy days following the terrorist attacks on the Pentagon and New York City.
The wanton and unpredictable nature of the sniper shootings has reinforced an uncomfortable feeling that many Americans first experienced the morning of September 11th: namely, that the government cannot protect you. No matter how many police or federal agents we put on the streets, a determined individual or group can still cause great harm.
For many this is a sobering thought, because we have come to view the state as our protector and the solution to every problem. We should remember, however, that we hardly would want to live in a rigid totalitarian society completely free of danger. This nation was founded on principles of self-reliance, but we've allowed ourselves to become far too dependent on government. Perhaps the only good that can come out of these senseless and tragic killings is an emerging understanding that we as individuals are responsible for our safety and the safety of our families.
As for the alleged sniper himself, we can expect two things from the media. First, we'll hear a lot of details and nonsense about his rifle and how he obtained it. This scrutiny serves to instill a misguided sense of fear and awe toward a simple .223 rifle, making it seem like a highly dangerous instrument that should never be in the hands of the general public. Second, we'll hear his defense attorneys feed the media a thousand excuses for his actions, ranging from his childhood to his failed marriage to his Army training. Most people see through this, however. The killer alone is responsible for his murderous actions.
Despite all the talk about rifles, the undeniable truth is that armed citizens are safer than disarmed citizens. We can't know, of course, that armed citizens would have prevented any of the shootings or brought the sniper to justice more quickly. Yet it's hard to imagine the sniper choosing Texas or another well-armed southern state to commit his crimes. The bottom line is that criminals seek defenseless, unarmed victims. Any criminal operating in the suburbs of Washington DC, southern Maryland, and northern Virginia – all bastions of anti-gun sentiment – can reasonably assume that his victims will not shoot back.
For most Americans, guns are not a political issue. People buy and own guns to protect their families, not to commit crimes. The truth is that even millions of Americans who support and vote for gun control own guns themselves, because deep down they share the basic human need to feel secure in their homes. Since September 11th, that sense of security has been shaken, resulting in a big increase in gun sales across the country. Most supporters of gun rights take no pleasure in this fact, nor do they trumpet it as a political victory over gun control forces. The time has come to stop politicizing gun ownership, and start promoting responsible use of firearms to make America a safer place. Guns are here to stay; the question is whether only criminals will have them.October 29, 2002
[/align][align=left][align=left]Dr. Ron Paul is a Republican member of Congress from Texas.
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10-07-2008, 03:53 PM
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Giant Nontypical
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RE: Gun Control in the USA?
"Are you considering backing gun control laws???"
Do you think that because you may not own a gun, the
rights guaranteed by the Second Amendment don't
matter?
CONSIDER THIS...
In 1929 the Soviet Union established gun control.
- From 1929 to 1953, approximately 20 million
dissidents, unable to defend themselves, were rounded
up and exterminated.
In 1911, Turkey established gun control.
- From 1915-1917, 1.5 million Armenians, unable to
defend themselves, were rounded up and exterminated.
Germany established gun control in 1938.
- From 1939 to 1945, 13 million Jews, gypsies,
homosexuals, the mentally ill, and others, who were
unable to defend themselves, were rounded up and
exterminated.
China established gun control in 1935.
- From 1948 to 1952, 20 million political dissidents,
unable to defend themselves, were rounded up and
exterminated.
Guatemala established gun control in 1964.
- From 1964 to 1981, 100,000 Mayan Indians, unable to
defend themselves, were rounded up and exterminated.
Uganda established gun control in 1970.
- From 1971 to 1979, 300,000 Christians, unable to
defend themselves, were rounded up and exterminated.
Cambodia established gun control in 1956.
- From 1975 to 1977, one million "educated" people,
unable to defend themselves, were rounded up and
exterminated.
That places total victims who lost their lives because
of gun control at approximately 56 million in the last
century.
Since we should learn from the mistakes of history,
the next time someone talks in favor of gun control,
find out which group of citizens they wish to have
exterminated.
It has now been 12 months since gun owners in
Australia were forced to surrender 640,381 personal
firearms to be destroyed, a program costing the
government more than $500 million dollars.
- The results Australia-wide; Homicides are up 3.2%,
Assaults are up 8 %, and Armed robberies are up 44%.
In that country's state of Victoria, homicides with
firearms are up 300%.
Over the previous 25 years, figures show a steady
decrease in armed robberies and Australian politicians
are on the spot and at a loss to explain how no
improvement in "safety" has been observed after such
monumental effort and expense was successfully
expended in "ridding society of guns."
It's time to state it plainly; Guns in the hands of
honest citizens save lives and property and, yes,
gun-control laws only affect the law-abiding citizens.
Take action before it's too late, write or call your
delegation.
Paul Harvey
Do you think that because you may not own a gun, the
rights guaranteed by the Second Amendment don't
matter?
CONSIDER THIS...
In 1929 the Soviet Union established gun control.
- From 1929 to 1953, approximately 20 million
dissidents, unable to defend themselves, were rounded
up and exterminated.
In 1911, Turkey established gun control.
- From 1915-1917, 1.5 million Armenians, unable to
defend themselves, were rounded up and exterminated.
Germany established gun control in 1938.
- From 1939 to 1945, 13 million Jews, gypsies,
homosexuals, the mentally ill, and others, who were
unable to defend themselves, were rounded up and
exterminated.
China established gun control in 1935.
- From 1948 to 1952, 20 million political dissidents,
unable to defend themselves, were rounded up and
exterminated.
Guatemala established gun control in 1964.
- From 1964 to 1981, 100,000 Mayan Indians, unable to
defend themselves, were rounded up and exterminated.
Uganda established gun control in 1970.
- From 1971 to 1979, 300,000 Christians, unable to
defend themselves, were rounded up and exterminated.
Cambodia established gun control in 1956.
- From 1975 to 1977, one million "educated" people,
unable to defend themselves, were rounded up and
exterminated.
That places total victims who lost their lives because
of gun control at approximately 56 million in the last
century.
Since we should learn from the mistakes of history,
the next time someone talks in favor of gun control,
find out which group of citizens they wish to have
exterminated.
It has now been 12 months since gun owners in
Australia were forced to surrender 640,381 personal
firearms to be destroyed, a program costing the
government more than $500 million dollars.
- The results Australia-wide; Homicides are up 3.2%,
Assaults are up 8 %, and Armed robberies are up 44%.
In that country's state of Victoria, homicides with
firearms are up 300%.
Over the previous 25 years, figures show a steady
decrease in armed robberies and Australian politicians
are on the spot and at a loss to explain how no
improvement in "safety" has been observed after such
monumental effort and expense was successfully
expended in "ridding society of guns."
It's time to state it plainly; Guns in the hands of
honest citizens save lives and property and, yes,
gun-control laws only affect the law-abiding citizens.
Take action before it's too late, write or call your
delegation.
Paul Harvey
10-07-2008, 04:05 PM
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RE: Gun Control in the USA?
listen my man. I am a double major in psychology and criminal justice. we just finished a chapter on crime control. And not once has gun controll worked right. The thought is, ban pistols, thecriminals won't have them! but it is law abiding people that don't have them. everyone else does. SO no. I dont believe ANY GUN SHOULD BE BANNED. And I am willing to die for that belief, that is how strong it is. You're in the wrong forum.
-Jake
-Jake
10-07-2008, 05:05 PM
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Nontypical Buck
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Posts: 2,466
RE: Gun Control in the USA?
there is background checks, and required ny law to have a FOID card in illinois i know at least! as for all your crap you stated...i wont even argue with you bout it. look up the stats, and charts...unless your looking at PETA, or anti gun groups boards (which somehow twist numbers to make guns look bad) then you will see guns are actually reducing crimes in peoples homes....if two gang members want to shoot themselves over there "colors" doesnt bother me...and that is a stat that shouldnt be put in gun related crimes...but is...so think if you eleminated those isssues how low the gun related crimes would be. plus you ban them then the CRIMINALS will still get there hands on them...just like they got there hands on automatic wepons still after they where banned. the criminals...what do you expect
that said...the day they out law individuals to own hand guns, or any gun for that matter, i guess that will be the day i become a criminal.
that said...the day they out law individuals to own hand guns, or any gun for that matter, i guess that will be the day i become a criminal.
10-07-2008, 06:02 PM
#7
Nontypical Buck
Join Date: Sep 2007
Location: Chetek, WI
Posts: 2,070
RE: Gun Control in the USA?
We should be able to own all guns of every type. Heck, I'd have an artillery piece! We need guns to defend ourselves. Banning guns won't do anything. Criminals would get them anyways. They don't care what the laws say.
10-07-2008, 06:32 PM
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RE: Gun Control in the USA?
ORIGINAL: Centauri
We should be able to own all guns of every type. Heck, I'd have an artillery piece! We need guns to defend ourselves. Banning guns won't do anything. Criminals would get them anyways. They don't care what the laws say.
We should be able to own all guns of every type. Heck, I'd have an artillery piece! We need guns to defend ourselves. Banning guns won't do anything. Criminals would get them anyways. They don't care what the laws say.
10-07-2008, 06:45 PM
#9
Nontypical Buck
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Posts: 2,754
RE: Gun Control in the USA?
yeah i mean if foresay i was in some gang and had no criminal backround i could buy guns and give them to like me gangmemebers to use
its not hard to get guns in the hands of bad guys.
its not hard to get guns in the hands of bad guys.