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who do you want to win????? MCAIN-PALIN or obama biden????????

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MCCAIN-PALIN

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McCain-Palin. You can not be a gun owner and vote for the other option. Bleh, he says no hunter needs 17 rounds and if they do, they shouldn't be hunting. That is true. But I do need 17 rounds when I want to shoot 17 rounds, or if I want to protect my family.
-Jake

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im voting for obama/biden because this economy is never going to change unless we get someone in the office that actually cares about the middle and lower classes and not about how many more billions of dollars he can make for his buddies. He is gonna give tax increases to everyone making over 250,000 and give anyone less than that a tax break, how can you argue with that? You can go ahead with your 17 rounds of ammo and be a careless sportsman or you can do what is right for this country. Sure he isnt exactly ted nugent or such but hunting in general isnt going anywhere, and gun ownership isnt going anywhere, its in the constitution.

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haha i didnt say be a careless sportsman. I agreed on that part. I said I need 17 rounds, or 100 for my drum magazines for my enjoyment and because it is my right to have them. Has nothing to do with hunting. Has everything to do with my freedom.
-Jake

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Also, I don't wanna argue with you over this. I'll discuss it, present facts and talk about each candidate. But let's not regress to idiocy. We both have our opinion and that is a good thing.
-Jake

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Politics in the Young Hunters forum, How many people can even vote here?

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Several of us can actually. And even if you can't you still need to be informed. This election will change things even for the younger members here.

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How much more do you need to know then Sarah Palin is a lifelong member to the NRA?

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I support McCain and Palin. Can't vote though. Obama's policies are all totally wrong.

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McCain-Palin and i can vote! There are a few of us on here that are over 18. IM starting to get to the age i need ot get out of here though.

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Also, in response to whackem. Ya, our guns aren't going anywhere right not. But if you shoot a lot, and have been doing so for the last few years you will notice that ammo has in some cases tripled. Why do you think that is? Taxes being placed on ammo manufacturers. It has to stop. They will not take your guns, but they will make them to expensive to use.

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This will be my first election, and im voting Palin ;)

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LMAO, you think ammo cost increase is from taxes??? Try the war and china buying it all. well china is buying the metals that use it.

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I'll do this nicely for you. it will be organized and everything.
"But coming from the chairman of the Finance Committee, one of the two Senate committees with a predominant role on the health bill, a proposal to tax ammunition immediately becomes a serious issue"
"Obviously that is a source of revenue that could be examined, and we will consider it,"
"Mr. Moynihan's proposal would raise the current 11 percent tax on the wholesale price of handgun ammunition to 50 percent in most cases. It would not raise the tax on .22-caliber ammunition typically used for target shooting."
"That high tax rate would also apply to all .50-caliber ammunition, which is for very large handguns. "These bullets have no purpose other than to cause the greatest possible destruction of human life," Senator Moynihan said about the ammunition he wants to tax at 10,000. "We must effectively tax these hyper-bullets out of circulation."
"A box of 50 higher-grade .38-caliber cartridges may sell for about $16, with the tax $1.20. The tax would increase to $5.90 under the Moynihan proposal. "

Please sir, try and know your stuff before you talk. That is from the NY times by the way.
-Jake

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I can vote. I'll be voting for McCain/Palin

As far as gun control, I don't need to shoot 50 rounds. But if I want to shoot 50 rounds, I will damnit.

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^^^ I totally agree!

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Said they were going to and actually is doing it is two very different things. And they were only talking about handgun ammo. That conversation is just two ignorant people. A greater increase of the price of ammo is because of the war. Is this bill even put into affect in any state yet? Doing so would be against the constitution and you would see this case in the supreme court with the NRA winning. Because I really doubt it will ever be true. Dont believe everything you read.

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Thats the spirit Will!

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So it is ok to tax our handgun ammo? And for the record this bill was just put up on sep. 23rd for consideration. Also, california, chicago and Atlanta all are discussing similar things. This would be a DRASTIC RAISE the taxes I am talking about are the ones that have been added slowly the last few years. it is now up to 11% which is a lot more then three years ago. But I'm sure your right. We do not need handgun amunition. we can just point and click and say bang. it will be almost the same right?

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So how is a bill that is being put up for consideration affecting our taxes now raising them almost 3x the previous amout?

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It is from taxes being placed on the companies that produce high capacity magazines, and "hyper bullets". They get taxed higher, they raise their prices.

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It is called the faet-tax mot companies pay it quarterly. ammunition companies are currently paying it bi-weekly. it makes a big difference my friend.

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So lets vote in mccnain/palin and then what? The rich get richer and the poor get poorer. obamas taxing proposal gives us more money to spend on the things we love to do. if mccain gets in office i might as well kiss hunting goodbye because i'm going to have to work all the time and wont be able to afford to hunt anymore. unless you guys are making more than 250,000 dollars a year, i cant see the absolute advantage in having them in office. republicans have been in office the last 8 years and what have they done for us? besides giving oil companies tax breaks while making dividend profits in tens of billions of daollars while gas has nearly tripled since they have been in office. ten billion dollars a month goes over seas to a cause that has no end in sight. it sounds like a great idea.

And this 700 billion dollar helping hand that the government is going to do to save the economy, what is the deal with that? with about three hundred million people in the united states why not divide that up between every legal tax paying citizen and get the economy moving that way.

Im not trying to argue im just trying to bring up some useful points about the future of our country that everybody should know and think about.

-Nick

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It'll never happen, but here's my candidate

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I agree. That bill was raised to...I think 865 billion? which is rediculous and I am not sure on the basics of what they did. I do know that the stock market dropped again today, so the bailout plan has not helped anything yet...... I can't however vote for someone that goes against my basic beliefs. We have all had to tighten our belts. We all feel it. And no, I don't make 250+ a year. I'm a college kid trying to work my way through school. But, I do know that I can not vote for someone who is against guns. He voted for the assault weapon ban, which we all know was basically a total lie. Criminals still had them, we did not. I just have trouble voting for someone who goes against almost everthing I believe, just so I can have a few more dollars in my pocket. I am still richer then 90% of the world. I guess I just know that, yea I dont have much money, but life ain't so bad.
-Jake

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Ironically thats my candidate too. I didn't even register to vote. The deadline was a couple of days ago, but neither Obama or McCain are worth the dirt beneath their feet, so maybe next election.

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I also agree. It is the lesser of two evils....but.... one of those two will get in. So I picked one.

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McCain-Palin!!!!!!!!! all i had to know was that she hunted and i was already on their side lol but on a serious note, i think that pair would help the economy way more then obama-biden ever will

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McClain- Parlin

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Thats only giving everybody about 3500 bucks.

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lol

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Yeah, if you own an oil company.

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It would be a little more than that considering kids and all, im just saying were gonna have to pay for it and im not seeing a dime of it or is it hekping me in any way.

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Seems to me like the Republicans are as bad as Liberals on only wanting what's best for them and their friends. Especially with money.
When I can vote, I won't be voting for the Republican side, or Democrat.
Sure, you guys (and girls) that have only watched the debates and seen commercials, you guys see what they SAY they're going to do, which a lot of times, isn't what actually happens. Should be a roller-coster ride the next couple of years.

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Do you know why Obama is going to give us a $1000 tax break? So that his raised taxes won't be as noticable.

For the oil prices- taxes on oil companies will make the prices skyrocket. They need to replace the money that they will lose, and they will do that by raising prices. Obama doesn't want to drill, McCain does. McCain wants every energy, and Obama only wants alternative. The problem with alternative energies is that it just isn't practical within 4 years. First we need to create it. After that, we need to get it into the hands of the American people. With prices so high on everything, the common person won't be able to afford these new cars. Then theres the energy that powers out homes. Coal plants will need to be taken care of in some way, and that will make room for the solar plants and wind stations. Taking them out will cost a HUGE amount of money. Then you need to rewire the system for you to get power. I'm for alternatives, but it just isn't practical ina 4 year term. Also, what about the trucking industry? You can't haul goods to and from places with a car running on compressed air/other alternatives. I can see biodiesel, but it wouldn't be cheap. And what about people who like to haul boats and RVs to their vacation spots? You can't do that with a vehicle that runs on compressed air. What about boats? Both recreational and commercial vessels? You would have to replace engines on every rec. boat to make it run on the new fuel. Its the same with cargo vessels. We need those ships to import/export goods. We will need to convert their massive engines to run on alternative fuels. The same goes for a few of our Navy's aircraft carriers that run on oil. Lastly, what about airplanes? We need those to transport people/goods all around the country and the world. We would need to totally convert these too. Obama's energy plan will cost us BILLIONs, if not TRILLIONs, which we don't have.

Most Republicans support drilling, and they support it to lower prices. The Democrats don't support it, because they're worried about an "environmental disaster" which WILL NOT HAPPEN. Its a Democrat controlled Congress ya know.

As for the bailout, what else can we do? We came close enough to a complete stock market collapse a few weeks ago. We were 500 points away from it. Not that much. I'm not a big fan, but it needs to be done.

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No its ok, I already factored that out, I figure that 100 million people would not qualify so I did 700,000,000,000 divided by 200,000,000

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Also, rep. get blamed for a lot of stuff. But the dem. have control of congress. All that the president does is sign his name. Things that come before him are already passed by other groups.

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also true

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True, although dems just recently took control