management
02-25-2002 | 08:13 AM
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From: sandy creek n.y. USA
management
starting w.t. management program on home farm looking to learn how to know what deer to harvest and not harvest?we have built ower mineral licks in nov.2001 and plain to do some food plots in spring.not sure how to manage the population of deer and which bucks leave or harvest.i expect aging is important. need to learn that to.HELP
thanks in advance big dick<font color=red></font id=red>
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02-25-2002 | 07:03 PM
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From: Beaver Falls Pa. USA
RE: management
Hey big one important thing to remember is to get your buck to doe ratio in balance. I can tell you what has worked for us on our N.Y. farm. We talked to our neibghors and let them know what we intended to do. At first we didn't get much cooperation, but since then some of them have started to come around. Heres our program that has worked for us: food plots, lick sites, NO deer drives, and we set aside 25 acres as a sanctuary for the deer no hunting is allowed in there. There's 6 of us that hunt this property an we all agree to shoot nothing smaller than a 6 point. I personally try to look at the deer and estimate his age.
I took an 11 point this year that scored 153 5/8 P&Y and seen two others that would score between 130 and 140. Opening day of shotgun I passed on a 16 inch wide 8 point. I didn't want to be greedy. So I was hunting for does. Wouldn't you know it all I seen was bucks.
Hope this helps good luck.
God Bless & Good Hunting
LM/NAHC
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Member QDMA
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I took an 11 point this year that scored 153 5/8 P&Y and seen two others that would score between 130 and 140. Opening day of shotgun I passed on a 16 inch wide 8 point. I didn't want to be greedy. So I was hunting for does. Wouldn't you know it all I seen was bucks.
Hope this helps good luck.
God Bless & Good Hunting
LM/NAHC
Member NRA
Member P&Y CLUB
Member QDMA
Member Ducks Unlimited
02-25-2002 | 09:22 PM
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Nontypical Buck
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From: cazenovia, NY USA
RE: management
How many acres do you have? Of the land that you cannot control, how many neighbors might go along with your plans?
These questions are important, because they effect your realistic goals that you must set. There is some good information out there on harvest expectations, as related to acreage controlled.
One good study that I used as a model broke acreage down into three groups
1. 1000 or less acres
2. 1000-2500 acres
3. 2500+ acres
All plans offer food plots and ample cover, and reccomend passing up at least 1-1/2 yr old deer. realistic expactations were as follows:
1. <1000 acres - manage for 2-1/2yr old
bucks by passing up 1-1/2yr class.
The occasional 3-1/2 yr old buck
is a "bonus"
2. 1000-2500 acres - Manage
for 3-1/2 year old deer by
passing 1-1/2yr olds, plus 2-1/2yr
old deer that do not meet a minimum
spread limit set by your plan (16"
inside makes sense). The occasional
4-1/2 yr old is a bonus.
3. > 2500 acres - the sky's the limit.
Protect up to 3-1/2 years old.
consider what 3-1/2 year old deer
might constitute a "management"
deer (8 points or less?). The
study indicated that you cannot
overharvest 4-1/2 yr old deer -
they are too tough to hunt!
Obviously, this plan is oversimplified, but gives you a good idea of realistic expectations you might have. In my hunting area, we fall under #1 and are still working to graduate to #2 by involving willing neighbors.
Good luck - and remember - any management is better than none (especially in NY) - Develop a written plan and stick to it.
These questions are important, because they effect your realistic goals that you must set. There is some good information out there on harvest expectations, as related to acreage controlled.
One good study that I used as a model broke acreage down into three groups
1. 1000 or less acres
2. 1000-2500 acres
3. 2500+ acres
All plans offer food plots and ample cover, and reccomend passing up at least 1-1/2 yr old deer. realistic expactations were as follows:
1. <1000 acres - manage for 2-1/2yr old
bucks by passing up 1-1/2yr class.
The occasional 3-1/2 yr old buck
is a "bonus"
2. 1000-2500 acres - Manage
for 3-1/2 year old deer by
passing 1-1/2yr olds, plus 2-1/2yr
old deer that do not meet a minimum
spread limit set by your plan (16"
inside makes sense). The occasional
4-1/2 yr old is a bonus.
3. > 2500 acres - the sky's the limit.
Protect up to 3-1/2 years old.
consider what 3-1/2 year old deer
might constitute a "management"
deer (8 points or less?). The
study indicated that you cannot
overharvest 4-1/2 yr old deer -
they are too tough to hunt!
Obviously, this plan is oversimplified, but gives you a good idea of realistic expectations you might have. In my hunting area, we fall under #1 and are still working to graduate to #2 by involving willing neighbors.
Good luck - and remember - any management is better than none (especially in NY) - Develop a written plan and stick to it.
02-27-2002 | 06:47 AM
#4
Typical Buck
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From: Livonia Mi USA
RE: management
Careful with those home made mineral licks.... A lot of controversy. What type of data do you have to support you ingredients? Do soil samples. If you have at least a good quality sandy loam the ladino clovers should do good. If not, then the alfalfas.
02-27-2002 | 12:52 PM
#5
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From: sandy creek n.y. USA
RE: management
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Hey big one important thing to remember is to get your buck to doe ratio in balance. I can tell you what has worked for us on our N.Y. farm. We talked to our neibghors and let them know what we intended to do. At first we didn't get much cooperation, but since then some of them have started to come around. Heres our program that has worked for us: food plots, lick sites, NO deer drives, and we set aside 25 acres as a sanctuary for the deer no hunting is allowed in there. There's 6 of us that hunt this property an we all agree to shoot nothing smaller than a 6 point. I personally try to look at the deer and estimate his age.
I took an 11 point this year that scored 153 5/8 P&Y and seen two others that would score between 130 and 140. Opening day of shotgun I passed on a 16 inch wide 8 point. I didn't want to be greedy. So I was hunting for does. Wouldn't you know it all I seen was bucks.
Hope this helps good luck.
God Bless & Good Hunting
LM/NAHC
Member NRA
Member P&Y CLUB
Member QDMA
Member Ducks Unlimited
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hi there bbh pete.i agree with your way thinking 100%is much the same as were doing.
want to thank you for the come back. big dick
Hey big one important thing to remember is to get your buck to doe ratio in balance. I can tell you what has worked for us on our N.Y. farm. We talked to our neibghors and let them know what we intended to do. At first we didn't get much cooperation, but since then some of them have started to come around. Heres our program that has worked for us: food plots, lick sites, NO deer drives, and we set aside 25 acres as a sanctuary for the deer no hunting is allowed in there. There's 6 of us that hunt this property an we all agree to shoot nothing smaller than a 6 point. I personally try to look at the deer and estimate his age.
I took an 11 point this year that scored 153 5/8 P&Y and seen two others that would score between 130 and 140. Opening day of shotgun I passed on a 16 inch wide 8 point. I didn't want to be greedy. So I was hunting for does. Wouldn't you know it all I seen was bucks.
Hope this helps good luck.
God Bless & Good Hunting
LM/NAHC
Member NRA
Member P&Y CLUB
Member QDMA
Member Ducks Unlimited
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hi there bbh pete.i agree with your way thinking 100%is much the same as were doing.
want to thank you for the come back. big dick
02-27-2002 | 01:02 PM
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From: sandy creek n.y. USA
RE: management
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How many acres do you have? Of the land that you cannot control, how many neighbors might go along with your plans?
These questions are important, because they effect your realistic goals that you must set. There is some good information out there on harvest expectations, as related to acreage controlled.
One good study that I used as a model broke acreage down into three groups
1. 1000 or less acres
2. 1000-2500 acres
3. 2500+ acres
All plans offer food plots and ample cover, and reccomend passing up at least 1-1/2 yr old deer. realistic expactations were as follows:
1. <1000 acres - manage for 2-1/2yr old
bucks by passing up 1-1/2yr class.
The occasional 3-1/2 yr old buck
is a "bonus"
2. 1000-2500 acres - Manage
for 3-1/2 year old deer by
passing 1-1/2yr olds, plus 2-1/2yr
old deer that do not meet a minimum
spread limit set by your plan (16"
inside makes sense). The occasional
4-1/2 yr old is a bonus.
3. > 2500 acres - the sky's the limit.
Protect up to 3-1/2 years old.
consider what 3-1/2 year old deer
might constitute a "management"
deer (8 points or less?). The
study indicated that you cannot
overharvest 4-1/2 yr old deer -
they are too tough to hunt!
Obviously, this plan is oversimplified, but gives you a good idea of realistic expectations you might have. In my hunting area, we fall under #1 and are still working to graduate to #2 by involving willing neighbors.
Good luck - and remember - any management is better than none (especially in NY) - Develop a written plan and stick to it.
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hi there farm hunter.want to thank you for come back.iown 400 acersand about 1500acers all around me of farm land we have been doing just as you are with fingers crossed
thanks again. BIG DICK
How many acres do you have? Of the land that you cannot control, how many neighbors might go along with your plans?
These questions are important, because they effect your realistic goals that you must set. There is some good information out there on harvest expectations, as related to acreage controlled.
One good study that I used as a model broke acreage down into three groups
1. 1000 or less acres
2. 1000-2500 acres
3. 2500+ acres
All plans offer food plots and ample cover, and reccomend passing up at least 1-1/2 yr old deer. realistic expactations were as follows:
1. <1000 acres - manage for 2-1/2yr old
bucks by passing up 1-1/2yr class.
The occasional 3-1/2 yr old buck
is a "bonus"
2. 1000-2500 acres - Manage
for 3-1/2 year old deer by
passing 1-1/2yr olds, plus 2-1/2yr
old deer that do not meet a minimum
spread limit set by your plan (16"
inside makes sense). The occasional
4-1/2 yr old is a bonus.
3. > 2500 acres - the sky's the limit.
Protect up to 3-1/2 years old.
consider what 3-1/2 year old deer
might constitute a "management"
deer (8 points or less?). The
study indicated that you cannot
overharvest 4-1/2 yr old deer -
they are too tough to hunt!
Obviously, this plan is oversimplified, but gives you a good idea of realistic expectations you might have. In my hunting area, we fall under #1 and are still working to graduate to #2 by involving willing neighbors.
Good luck - and remember - any management is better than none (especially in NY) - Develop a written plan and stick to it.
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hi there farm hunter.want to thank you for come back.iown 400 acersand about 1500acers all around me of farm land we have been doing just as you are with fingers crossed
thanks again. BIG DICK
02-27-2002 | 01:04 PM
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From: sandy creek n.y. USA
RE: management
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How many acres do you have? Of the land that you cannot control, how many neighbors might go along with your plans?
These questions are important, because they effect your realistic goals that you must set. There is some good information out there on harvest expectations, as related to acreage controlled.
One good study that I used as a model broke acreage down into three groups
1. 1000 or less acres
2. 1000-2500 acres
3. 2500+ acres
All plans offer food plots and ample cover, and reccomend passing up at least 1-1/2 yr old deer. realistic expactations were as follows:
1. <1000 acres - manage for 2-1/2yr old
bucks by passing up 1-1/2yr class.
The occasional 3-1/2 yr old buck
is a "bonus"
2. 1000-2500 acres - Manage
for 3-1/2 year old deer by
passing 1-1/2yr olds, plus 2-1/2yr
old deer that do not meet a minimum
spread limit set by your plan (16"
inside makes sense). The occasional
4-1/2 yr old is a bonus.
3. > 2500 acres - the sky's the limit.
Protect up to 3-1/2 years old.
consider what 3-1/2 year old deer
might constitute a "management"
deer (8 points or less?). The
study indicated that you cannot
overharvest 4-1/2 yr old deer -
they are too tough to hunt!
Obviously, this plan is oversimplified, but gives you a good idea of realistic expectations you might have. In my hunting area, we fall under #1 and are still working to graduate to #2 by involving willing neighbors.
Good luck - and remember - any management is better than none (especially in NY) - Develop a written plan and stick to it.
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hi there farm hunter.want to thank you for come back.iown 400 acersand about 1500acers all around me of farm land we have been doing just as you are with fingers crossed
thanks again. BIG DICK
How many acres do you have? Of the land that you cannot control, how many neighbors might go along with your plans?
These questions are important, because they effect your realistic goals that you must set. There is some good information out there on harvest expectations, as related to acreage controlled.
One good study that I used as a model broke acreage down into three groups
1. 1000 or less acres
2. 1000-2500 acres
3. 2500+ acres
All plans offer food plots and ample cover, and reccomend passing up at least 1-1/2 yr old deer. realistic expactations were as follows:
1. <1000 acres - manage for 2-1/2yr old
bucks by passing up 1-1/2yr class.
The occasional 3-1/2 yr old buck
is a "bonus"
2. 1000-2500 acres - Manage
for 3-1/2 year old deer by
passing 1-1/2yr olds, plus 2-1/2yr
old deer that do not meet a minimum
spread limit set by your plan (16"
inside makes sense). The occasional
4-1/2 yr old is a bonus.
3. > 2500 acres - the sky's the limit.
Protect up to 3-1/2 years old.
consider what 3-1/2 year old deer
might constitute a "management"
deer (8 points or less?). The
study indicated that you cannot
overharvest 4-1/2 yr old deer -
they are too tough to hunt!
Obviously, this plan is oversimplified, but gives you a good idea of realistic expectations you might have. In my hunting area, we fall under #1 and are still working to graduate to #2 by involving willing neighbors.
Good luck - and remember - any management is better than none (especially in NY) - Develop a written plan and stick to it.
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hi there farm hunter.want to thank you for come back.iown 400 acersand about 1500acers all around me of farm land we have been doing just as you are with fingers crossed
thanks again. BIG DICK
02-27-2002 | 01:21 PM
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From: sandy creek n.y. USA
RE: management
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Careful with those home made mineral licks.... A lot of controversy. What type of data do you have to support you ingredients? Do soil samples. If you have at least a good quality sandy loam the ladino clovers should do good. If not, then the alfalfas.
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HI LUNCHBUCKET.WANT TO THANK YOU FOR COME BACK.AS TO MINERALS WE HAVE BEEN USEING THE WHITE TAIL INSTITUTES IF YOUR AWARE OF THEM?
AND IF SO WHAT YOUR OPINION?WE ALSO PLAIN TO GO WITH THERE CLOVERS WHAT YA THINK? I OWN 400 ACERS LOCATED IN MIDDEL OF DAIRY FARMS.
HAVE FARMED MY SELF NOW RETIRED LOVE TO HUNT AND NOW HAVE TIME TO DO THIS PROJECT.IF YOU HAVE ANY SUGGESTIONS SURE WILL LISTEN.
THANKS AGAIN BIG DICK
Careful with those home made mineral licks.... A lot of controversy. What type of data do you have to support you ingredients? Do soil samples. If you have at least a good quality sandy loam the ladino clovers should do good. If not, then the alfalfas.
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HI LUNCHBUCKET.WANT TO THANK YOU FOR COME BACK.AS TO MINERALS WE HAVE BEEN USEING THE WHITE TAIL INSTITUTES IF YOUR AWARE OF THEM?
AND IF SO WHAT YOUR OPINION?WE ALSO PLAIN TO GO WITH THERE CLOVERS WHAT YA THINK? I OWN 400 ACERS LOCATED IN MIDDEL OF DAIRY FARMS.
HAVE FARMED MY SELF NOW RETIRED LOVE TO HUNT AND NOW HAVE TIME TO DO THIS PROJECT.IF YOU HAVE ANY SUGGESTIONS SURE WILL LISTEN.
THANKS AGAIN BIG DICK
02-27-2002 | 02:16 PM
#9
Typical Buck
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From: Livonia Mi USA
RE: management
We are familiar with the Institutes products. As for your planting, you need to do some soil samples to find what type of soil you have. If you farmed this area then you most likely know this info. Stay away from the salt based/nitrate fertilizers if possible. The higher quality ladino clovers will require at least a good quality sandy loam. If not, then you may want to consider the alfalfa blends.
