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Old 03-11-2010 | 08:09 AM
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Hey Guys, I live in northern PA. I have heard many people say that the key to a good food plot is spraying weed killer prior to planting to ensure no other plants try to take over. Yesterday, I went to wal-mart and checked out some of the weed killing products. Here is where my question begins.

I looked at the back of many of the products, like Round-up Extended Control, and it said that it will CONTINUE to kill weeds for like 4 months. Wont that keep my food plot seeds from being able to germinate and begin growing?

Also, on many of the products it said DO NOT use in a garden, or a vegetable garden, etc. Basically, on anything that may be consumed. So, yet again, I'm left wondering: If people shouldnt eat things in the area that was sprayed, should I be spraying and then planting foods that I want deer to eat? Will it harm them..? Or is it okay to spray and then plant..?

When is the ideal time to spray..? Mid-march? Mid-april?
How long should I wait to plant AFTER spraying..?
Which weed killer sprays are the best/safest to use?

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Old 03-11-2010 | 10:11 AM
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All very good questions to ask before one decides to purchase and apply herbicides.

The chemical Glyphosate is what is used by most food plotters to kill out the weeds and grass before planting a plot.

The Round-Up Extended control is a mix of chemicals meant to be used where no weeds/grass is wanted such as along sidewalks, driveways, along flower beds etc.

It's likely, a lot of the chemicals you looked at were types of Pre-Emergent herbicides that work by preventing the germination of seeds. Or chemicals that remain active in the soil for a short time.

Glyphosate only effects/kills plants that is green and growing. It works by inhibiting enzyme activity found only in plants. It has no effect on seeds that have not sprouted. In my opinion Glyphosate is a fairly benign chemical.

As far as the best time for you to spray, I've somewhat covered it, but to be more clear, it's best to wait until the soil has warmed enough that most weeds has sprouted and have begun to grow, for your area that could be late April. Depending on the weed and temperatures, it could take two or more weeks to make sure the weeds are dead, before planting. It's not uncommon to have to make more than one application, especially with a new plot because of all weed seeds in the soil bank. Tilling the ground after killing all of the growing weeds will generally call for another application also, depending on what is being planted.
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Old 03-11-2010 | 12:25 PM
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Shop around for the generic gly, prices are a LOT better than they were a few years ago, $50 or less for 2 1/2 gallons. For fall planting I usually spray in August and plant in late Sept. This gives time for the dead stuff time to break down making discing easier.
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Old 03-11-2010 | 01:44 PM
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Ok, all very helpful information.

Where can I find glyphosfate? Is it in general stores anywhere or will I need to purchase this online, etc...?

This is a third year plot, but I still had minor problems with weeds and I want to make sure they are all dead and gone prior to planting this year.
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Old 03-11-2010 | 02:44 PM
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Probably the best place to purchase Glyphosate and other food plot chemicals, as well as seeds and fertilizers, is farm supply or feed-n-seed stores.

Here's an online store to give you some idea on prices for glyphosate and other chemicals and there uses.
KeystonePestSolutions.com, ~ Lawn, Garden & Deer Food Plot Pest ...
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Old 03-23-2010 | 07:41 AM
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Haystack, have you had any experience with the RoundUp Ready Soybeans and RoundUp Spray? I need advice on which of the RoundUp sprays would be the most ideal for killing the weeds-(mainly ragweed, Golden Rod and grasses) Is one more compatible with the RoundUp Ready seeds? Thanks!
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Old 03-23-2010 | 08:04 AM
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Round Up is just a brand name. Being "Round Up Ready" only means they are are not effected by glyphosate. It doesn't not mean that they can withstand all variations of the Round Up brand. Any 41% glyphosate at the local feed/seed store will work.
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Old 03-23-2010 | 05:34 PM
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Originally Posted by 4evrhtn
Haystack, have you had any experience with the RoundUp Ready Soybeans and RoundUp Spray? I need advice on which of the RoundUp sprays would be the most ideal for killing the weeds-(mainly ragweed, Golden Rod and grasses) Is one more compatible with the RoundUp Ready seeds? Thanks!

Magis has pretty well covered it, especially making sure its a form of glyphosate only, that you apply on RoundUp Ready plants. Basically any of the generic glyphosate brands will work and is labeled for RR crops.

Depending on what is growing on the plot prior to planting, I will use 1 qt to the acre for the initial kill, sometimes 2 qt/a is required for certain weeds, before planting, if using no-till.

If planting into tilled ground, 2 to 5 weeks after planting or when the weeds reach up to 8 inches tall, I will spray 1qt/a for the first application. If things get delayed and the weeds are larger, I will apply up to 2qt/a. Under ideal growing conditions one application is sometimes all that's needed, the beans will grow together shading the ground enough weeds can't compete. Drought, hail, wind damage or poor soybean stand that slows or delays canopy closure, will likely require a second application to control late flushes of weeds, especially ragweed.

Planting RR soybeans is a very good way to clean up a plot in preparation for a perennial plot the following spring and you have the option of seeding a cereal grain or brassica into the standing beans in late summer about the time the leaves begin to turn yellow, extending the usefulness of the plot on into winter/spring.

Good luck and let us know how it go's!
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Old 03-24-2010 | 04:12 PM
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Originally Posted by M.Magis
Round Up is just a brand name. Being "Round Up Ready" only means they are are not effected by glyphosate. It doesn't not mean that they can withstand all variations of the Round Up brand. Any 41% glyphosate at the local feed/seed store will work.
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I've got good advice from Rick James. Mow, wait two weeks, and then spray. Killed my stuff good.
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Old 03-24-2010 | 07:48 PM
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I wouldnt go with any of the Round Up from wal-mart it isn't straight chemical it is watered down. Id do what haystack said and go to a farm supply store and pick you up some glyphosate thatd be your best bet. Also if youve never planted in this area before i would reccomend a soil test and then fertilize accordingly. For soybeans you usually want about a 7 ph. Also round up is a contact killer so it will only affect the plants that are growing. After you spray though it'll take a couple weeks to get a complete kill off. Id say if the area has never been sprayed before you wont have to worry about many of the weeds being tolerant to the chemicals.
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