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answerguy

http://greenwoodnursery.com/page.cfm/301

or do a Google on: sawtooth oaks online

SAK

I don't know what size sapling you are looking for but this past fall I picked up a couple hundred sawtooth oak acorns, soaked them in water until they sprouted and planed throughout my hunting grounds..I know of at least a few that made it even through the severve drought we had here in PA this past summer. I guess I will find out this spring how many actually made it through this frigid winter. Some more recent developments planted saw tooth oaks as street trees because of the rapid initial growth. If I run into an abudance again this fall I could probably send you as many as you want. It will be extra work and fewer will survive initially but heck all it will cost is postage.

1sagittarius

Sawtooths are a NON-NATIVE, fast growing oak, import, from Asia.

Do you really want to plant them????

Good ol white and bur oaks are slow growing, but are at least natural to North America. And prefered by deer and turkeys cause they are the sweetest of the oak acorns.

SAK

I have years of experience and a BS in Wildlife management, you will have to give me stronger arguments against an oak that will produce an enormous quantity of acorns after only 15 years of growth. Yes there are a few species that produce more favorable acorns but none that compare to quickness and quantity of the saw tooth. Today's society wants instant gratification and the saw tooth oak is the way to go. Whether they are native or introduced? What is one negative aspect of a saw tooth oak?

timbercruiser

Here's a bunch of places, try different catalogs.

http://forestry.about.com/cs/catalogs/index.htm

1sagittarius

SAK, <BLOCKQUOTE id=quote<font size=1 face='Verdana, Arial, Helvetica' id=quote>quote:<hr height=1 noshade id=quote> What is one negative aspect of a saw tooth oak?<hr height=1 noshade id=quote></BLOCKQUOTE id=quote></font id=quote><font face='Verdana, Arial, Helvetica' size=2 id=quote>

You already mentioned it .... <BLOCKQUOTE id=quote><font size=1 face='Verdana, Arial, Helvetica' id=quote>quote:<hr height=1 noshade id=quote>an oak that will produce an enormous quantity of acorns after only 15 years of growth. Yes there are a few species that produce more favorable acorns but none that compare to quickness and quantity of the saw tooth. <hr height=1 noshade id=quote></BLOCKQUOTE id=quote></font id=quote><font face='Verdana, Arial, Helvetica' size=2 id=quote>

Basically the Asian Sawtooth has the unatural ability to reproduce faster than any native North American oak. Think of the saw tooth like european grass carp, european starlings, zebra mussles, purple loose strife, or even West Nile Virus. Sawtooths out compete native oaks.
<BLOCKQUOTE id=quote><font size=1 face='Verdana, Arial, Helvetica' id=quote>quote:<hr height=1 noshade id=quote>I have years of experience and a BS in Wildlife management <hr height=1 noshade id=quote></BLOCKQUOTE id=quote></font id=quote><font face='Verdana, Arial, Helvetica' size=2 id=quote>
Perhaps if your degree was in forestry you would know better.
<BLOCKQUOTE id=quote><font size=1 face='Verdana, Arial, Helvetica' id=quote>quote:<hr height=1 noshade id=quote> Today's society wants instant gratification and the saw tooth oak is the way to go. <hr height=1 noshade id=quote></BLOCKQUOTE id=quote></font id=quote><font face='Verdana, Arial, Helvetica' size=2 id=quote>
Yeah, but that's not one of todays society's better qualities. Common sense and past experiences should be a guide, society should know better. Just because the negative effects are very, very, very slow, does not mean our generation should ignore the consequences.

JMHO <img src=icon_smile_wink.gif border=0 align=middle>

farm hunter

I tend to agree with 1sagitarius on his point. While there may be nothing wrong with sawtooth, I' d consider the land use 50 years down the road before planting alot of them.

Today on our property, we deal with Morrow' s Honeysuckle - that was planted in the 1950' s as " Natural Fencing" that never really worked, but is all but inedible, and reproduces very well, I might add. Others have to deal with Multiflora Rose, or other introduced Pines or plants.

Just consider your options, and longterm plans before planting.

SAK

1sagittarius,

Comparing west niles virus to saw tooth oaks is comparing apples to oranges. As far as out competing native oaks, my guess is guys are planting them because of the lack of native oaks becuase of the abundance of deer. Exotics can have many negative impacts on the environment but to suggest that the Penn woods will be dominated by saw tooth oak trees in 30 years in absurd. I sign on to enjoy an educated conversation not personal attacks on the subject of my BS. Farm hunter you bring up some very relevant examples and those species should be kept in mind. The nature of these exotics are low growing thick, nasty plants. They are very hard to control. It would be much easier to control an evasion of saw tooth than it was for these species.

1sagittarius

SAK, The point with West Nile Virus is that it is not native to North America and was brought here by man, just like saw tooth oaks. You knew that.

As far as " the Penn woods will be dominated by saw tooth oak trees in 30 years in absurd."

No one mentioned that but you, and yes that IS absurd, it would take much longer than that.

The point is that someone would have to put forth effort to control sawtooth oaks because they are not native oaks. Just like Morrow' s Honeysuckle, Multiflora Rose, purple loose strife, zebra mussels, ECT, they would have to be controlled because they out compete native plant species.

The best solution is not to plant non-native species in the first place. Native species will feed the deer just fine.

One does not need a degree in forestry to understand the morel concept.